Comments on: The Shoe is on the Other Foot http://theemailwars.com/2008/11/26/the-shoe-is-on-the-other-foot/ Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:57:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Neil Schwartzman http://theemailwars.com/2008/11/26/the-shoe-is-on-the-other-foot/comment-page-1/#comment-1310 Neil Schwartzman Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:54:08 +0000 http://theemailwars.com/?p=1345#comment-1310 By the way with regard to that other foot - the ISP list by SPAMHAUS is a very old one. This isn't news, rather SPAMHAUS' herculian efforts to get the live.com space under control, in collaboration with MS. Check out http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/isp_list.lasso - there's all sorts of fun to be had there. By the way with regard to that other foot – the ISP list by SPAMHAUS is a very old one. This isn’t news, rather SPAMHAUS’ herculian efforts to get the live.com space under control, in collaboration with MS.

Check out http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/isp_list.lasso – there’s all sorts of fun to be had there.

]]> By: Neil Schwartzman http://theemailwars.com/2008/11/26/the-shoe-is-on-the-other-foot/comment-page-1/#comment-1309 Neil Schwartzman Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:50:55 +0000 http://theemailwars.com/?p=1345#comment-1309 Interesting comment. How would Microsoft and Yahoo! be 'spamming' in any way their own users? By marketing to people who use a free service and AGREE, in advance, to receive email as part of the deal? Now, contrast that to some marketers who feel an email address in hand gives them free reign to mail it until it explodes, then pass it off to a valued '3rd party'. Interesting comment. How would Microsoft and Yahoo! be ’spamming’ in any way their own users? By marketing to people who use a free service and AGREE, in advance, to receive email as part of the deal? Now, contrast that to some marketers who feel an email address in hand gives them free reign to mail it until it explodes, then pass it off to a valued ‘3rd party’.

]]> By: J.D. http://theemailwars.com/2008/11/26/the-shoe-is-on-the-other-foot/comment-page-1/#comment-1308 J.D. Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:12:38 +0000 http://theemailwars.com/?p=1345#comment-1308 The big ISPs send very high volumes of mail on behalf of random end users -- some of whom are spammers. So, they'll always show up at the top of volume-based spam lists. But the big ISPs are also putting immense effort into stopping outbound spam. They aren't trying to make excuses about being CAN-SPAM compliant, and they don't bitch about the rules being unfair. Compare that to the email marketing industry.... ------------- JD: Be nice. After all is it Thanksgiving. Maybe this is a time for you to find some love in your heart and for people to come together. I know we all complain. But in ANY industry we all complain about something. Find me one that every side loves one another, and I will go work there. Side note of more relevance: I have been in marketing meetings at BIG ISPs yahow and mikroseeft and I can tell you that their marketing teams who have MILLIONS of email addresses are in essence spamming and blasting thier members, using minimal to no segmentation and selling remnant space to ad brands. Tomato tomaato. Save me some Turkey. The big ISPs send very high volumes of mail on behalf of random end users — some of whom are spammers. So, they’ll always show up at the top of volume-based spam lists.

But the big ISPs are also putting immense effort into stopping outbound spam. They aren’t trying to make excuses about being CAN-SPAM compliant, and they don’t bitch about the rules being unfair. Compare that to the email marketing industry….

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JD: Be nice. After all is it Thanksgiving. Maybe this is a time for you to find some love in your heart and for people to come together.

I know we all complain. But in ANY industry we all complain about something. Find me one that every side loves one another, and I will go work there.

Side note of more relevance: I have been in marketing meetings at BIG ISPs yahow and mikroseeft and I can tell you that their marketing teams who have MILLIONS of email addresses are in essence spamming and blasting thier members, using minimal to no segmentation and selling remnant space to ad brands. Tomato tomaato.

Save me some Turkey.

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